Interview: Talking Writing Podcast

I spoke with musician/journalist John Vogel for Talking Writing podcast (listen here).

We got into my ups & downs as a working musician/artist over the past 30 years (mainly the last 13) – toeing the line of it working or falling apart…pretty much the whole time. And the perception vs. reality of: 

* learning to play drums in my mid 30s as a live-in caregiver for my grandmother

* trying (and flunking) in various 9 to 5s between music careers

* the rift nostalgia creates between artist and audience

* playing drums for huge crowds and small bars days apart and why both matter despite optics 

* how the super indie DIY/ jack-of-all-trades thing in all its raggedy punk rock glory burned me out 

+ more.  

I’m weary of podcasts post-Covid’s IG Live/YouTube boom, but this was one I enjoyed that hopefully can help fellow long haulers navigate their paths. Enjoy!